Return-Path: Delivered-To: kitterma-kitterman:com-scott@kitterman.com X-Envelope-To: scott@kitterman.com Received: (qmail 84128 invoked by uid 3013); 7 Mar 2011 19:23:23 -0000 Delivered-To: kitterma-kitterman:com-bcc@kitterman.com Received: (qmail 84124 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2011 19:23:23 -0000 Received: from mailwash7.pair.com (66.39.2.7) by raung.pair.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2011 19:23:23 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailwash7.pair.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 55353BC0C for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 14:23:23 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Check-By: mailwash7.pair.com X-Spam-Check-By: mailwash7.pair.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-102.4 required=3.5 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VERIFIED,SPF_HELO_PASS,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham version=3.002005 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Filtered: e5ffa8d1346811c78a1c1beaefd60800 Received: from mailout00.controlledmail.com (mailout00.controlledmail.com [72.81.252.19]) by mailwash7.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CCA9BC14 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 14:23:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout00.controlledmail.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout00.controlledmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9F438C28F; Mon, 7 Mar 2011 14:23:18 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=kitterman.com; s=2007-00; t=1299525798; bh=n0HUwGCP28PkesXBPH82Kboy8LhNFWU9zUISIpAez7M=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id; b=K/UUOt8lCtgjp3kSTogqBm9lY1Yax/NwZ+bKm39/WKzo5KYe3L/6RoIA/0oiDX4kO Qut49HCV6ZUe6dY9V5qWBwLanRs1sCnObaOGMpFfs8tU4TWpDSVXaNZAqn15XVW0WH EzOzUfVuatpa1kF4voIgSbmZHR1vN3WpRtcTBe/I= From: Scott Kitterman To: Kerrick Staley , Nick Coghlan Subject: Comments on PEP 394 draft Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 14:22:57 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.35-27-generic; KDE/4.5.1; i686; ; ) Cc: barry@python.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1746914.gtVYRJxS1r"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201103071423.13147.scott@kitterman.com> X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-UID: 63126 X-Length: 4427 Status: R X-Status: N X-KMail-EncryptionState: X-KMail-SignatureState: X-KMail-MDN-Sent: --nextPart1746914.gtVYRJxS1r Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm one of the maintainers of the packages that provide /usr/bin/python,=20 python3, and potentially python2 in Debian and Ubuntu. I've read both your= =20 draft ( http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/ ) and the thread on ptyhon- dev. I'm writing you directly since I'm not subscribed to python-dev and=20 that's what Barry suggested. I think that the PEP generally makes sense. The only comment I have is tha= t=20 the recommendation regarding pointing /usr/bin/python at /usr/bin/python3 i= s=20 far too aggressive. It will break lots of local scripts and python softwar= e=20 (updating distribution package repositories isn't nearly sufficient=20 preparation for the change). I know some distributions have or will do thi= s,=20 but I think it is not appropriate for an upstream recommendation. If you=20 would change: "For the time being, it is recommended that python should refer to python2,= =20 except on distributions which include only python3 in their base install, o= r=20 those that wish to push strongly for migration of user scripts to Python 3." to "For the time being, it is recommended that python should refer to python2." then it would be something Debian would likely (I'm not the only maintainer= )=20 support. Given that the previous position was that /usr/bin/python would=20 always refer to python2, just establishing that it should change as some po= int=20 is a step forward. I don't think pushing harder than that will be worth th= e=20 added controversy associated with being more aggressive. Scott K --nextPart1746914.gtVYRJxS1r Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAk11MJQACgkQHajaM93NaGpohwCfZNhmnoyq51jlCJ/nJ1dpbLWc llUAn0y8pceuESDSfNLHW0DADEygs4aU =S7uo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1746914.gtVYRJxS1r--